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The page is still under construction and I will be adding to this website over the term. At the same time, I would support the ability of a scout to advance that either no longer has faith or never developed such. But it isn’t just about the membership standards; BSA has had difficulty reaching into Hispanic and other communities. One telling fact from the criminology field: Atheists were almost absent from our prison population as of the late 1990s, comprising less than half of 1% of those behind bars, according to Federal Bureau of Prisons statistics. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/agnostic It seems rather silly for us to require kids demonstrate or voice a confirmed belied in a higher power when they are the same age as kid that still believe in the tooth fairy and Santa Claus. If people do NOT want to participate in BSA because of the requirement of reverence, and aknowledgement of a higher power, then go somewhere else? Supernatural to me means Superman or maybe Santa Clause. So, too, for Unitarian Universalists, who are also recognized by BSA. I stated earlier that the DRP is insulting. I would challenge the Scout leader who is facing this conversation to have a true heart to heart to see what the actual viewpoints are, and move from there. Bret I have core unchangeable Christ centered values based on beliefs that are not subject to the sanctions of men even yours. I can only hope that the people involved will keep such an open mind and heart…. I’ve never had a problem with the Duty to God part of scouting, but the letter you shared actually confuses the issue even more. Beliefs are acquired through culture and education. item 8 A Question of Belief (The Commissario Guido Brunetti Mysteries) Leon, Donna, Le 8 - A Question of Belief (The Commissario Guido Brunetti Mysteries) Leon, Donna, Le. At the risk of beating a dead horse, that’s kind of the way the tenets of the organization and the English language work. I didn’t mean to come off like a jerk. BSA’s emphasis on “Duty to God” and allignment with organized religions is a huge eroor in judgement. A faith should be a readily recognized , organized faith. For instance, the faith adventures in the Cub Scout program are clearly designed to be carried out in the family with the assistance of their faith group leaders. This religious push seems like another last gasp before BSA once again realizes that American society has left it behind on this issue. Cole, thank you for admitting to using Scouting to defend your vision of “traditional values”. So, you must be right . Hawkwin I have never met a Grizzly Bear on a trail but I know there were a few there. It is a matter of context and definition. So, we arrive at your conclusion, duty to God may involve questioning. For example, approximately 140 chaplains serve at each national jamboree. “Yes, belief in God is a cornerstone of Scouting. You have stated that those who believe it is a sin might be from evil places very judgmental don’t you think.Brett I have a question for you do you believe that the BSA should allow Homosexual Leaders be honest I believe that they should not be allowed. The Scout Oath and Law cannot be ignored in any circumstances yet we see some push the envelope and move on without full regard for the honor and integrity of being a member of the Boy Scouts.This fall from honor was not the intent and mandate of the founders of the Boy Scouts they clearly intended that deity would be among the core values of Scouting and no other intent was suggested and promoted. Your attitudes and words are what I fear for “teenager” Scouts. Fair enough. While walking on those grounds, I was particularly struck by Gilwell’s designated “Faith Walk” which includes worship sites and support facilities for many of the world religions. This does not reflect a change in BSA policy nor does it place Scouters in the role of religious leaders. Since then, I’ve helped several youth (male-only, female, and co-eds) with their unaccompanied overnight plans (loaned the females my van once). That does not mean that as society, we might have a different tolerance for diversity today than what Powell might have had at the founding of BSA or than what the founding fathers did at the founding of our country. Maybe you are not really interested in what Baden-Powell referred to as “Peace Scouts”? Correct me if I am wrong but at no point after coronation of Eagle rank is a Scout questioned on his religious beliefs. BSA mandates “Duty to God” not duty to European ancestry. Quote” This is a 100-year old organization with a clear mission that they feel is intricately tied to religion. When you really get into history, you start to find that every generation, in every culture, bemoans the sorry state of the youth of their time. He shares the ways in which the BSA affirms the importance of a belief in God in the following response. So wouldn’t a dogmatic believer be at odds with the “sort of open mindset and general sense of tolerance” ?????? If people do NOT want to participate in BSA because of the requirement of reverence, and aknowledgement [sic] of a higher power, then go somewhere else? It comes from within, from conscience, from observation, from love, for use in all that he does. Even scientology… Which I use strictly as an example. We just complain it’s wrong when it’s in the Bible. A religious or faith-based litmus test in order to be a participant at such a young age is a little creepy. Show us the page. Then there are the unfunded capital projects (can you say “Summit”?) Bret Since you have commented that homosexuality is not a sin I will open the question that you would not answer to anyone on this blog should the BSA allow adult homosexuals leaders into the BSA. (This isn’t that far fetched. When I was a scoutmaster for a troop sponsored by a European international school, I faced Mary’s question a lot. In on case, the kid wanted to rebel, rebelled, and missed out on something. That was easy since we are all at the mercy of the universe and the laws of physics. You can be reverent towards the beliefs of others (aka: respect the beliefs of others). So tell me again why religion and duty to good should be Scout principles? They do believe in Kara and Darma, forces greater than themselves. This does not mean that all religions need to follow the LDS doctrine I have been to many non LDS Scouting activities and have been receptive of their prayer endings and have enjoyed any prayer at any Scout activities. It has already been pointed out in a number of the responses. IT IS TIME THAT AN “INDEPENDENT” (spread out [not by membership numbers] among the many religious/spiritual voices within Scouting) SUBCOMMITTEE APPOINTED BY NATIONAL ADVANCEMENT LOOK AT THIS ISSUE FROM A RATIONAL MANNER, so that we can come up with a method of GROWING the membership and not DESTROYING those that wish to be Scouts, but at their immature age have not been able to decide what god/God/deity/spirit they honor. There are several outdoors group willing to teach similar skills without the ONE requirement of revereance. The combination of the BSA and the 12 year old youth holding the Aaronic Priesthood of the Church are a solid foundation for the youth of the LDS Church. The Editor’s of Scouting Magazine has opened a very necessary website to provide a program for Scouters to communicate with one and another. Lord Robert Baden-Powell affirmed this on numerous occasions. Yesterday’s Scout laments a loss of some idealized world. Wrist splints are often used in the treatment of rheumatoid arthritis (RA). Homosexuality, like it or not, is a natural phenomenon, it occurs in most species and is observed and documented in our closest relatives, the binobo and the chimpanzee. I am an Eagle, and that is why I do what I do. Q, I have been curious when did the patrol camping rules change? BP is long since dead, and some here have represented that his thoughts might have been wrong, and others treat his words as Gospel. 8. questions 8-12: answer based on your belief about the path to the ultimate reward or reality (e.g. We should always respect the beliefs of others. Missed this reply, Thor. The unofficial Boy Scout motto is, “Do it Right”. The DRP is codified in the Charter and Bylaws of the Boy Scouts of America, and was published in the 1911 edition of the Handbook for Boys. To suggest that oh well it only comes at the Eagle BoR… I’m sorry, without clear direction on how to handle these situations, you leave it up to the interpretation of each BoR, despite the emphasis on the Duty to God in the Oath and Law. Dan, thanks for confirming what I’ve always suspected: these recent changes (and more to come) are all about money, period. Trenton Spears. “No man is much good unless he believes in God and obeys his laws.” – Robert Baden-Powell, Scouting for Boys, 1908. And then answer would seem to be simple….then how is he showing scout spirit or adherence to the oath and law, and therefore should not be eligible for rank? Wicca, or the Covenant of the Goddess, does not–they’re the reason that the BSA cited the rule that 25 units must be chartered before a religion’s award is recognized. So I would encourage boys to take the next step on this spiritual journey, as part of their duty to God, and begin to consider whether or not there might be a God, and what this God might be like. Each of these fellows has taught me a little about walking by faith. Despite what BP might have personally felt back in 1908, the oath that followed had no such requirement. eagleray you were wrong that I managed to shut down this blog by my comments as of November 16 2014 it is still going strong 41 days total Bryan Wendall will decide when this blog will end not you.Your role as a predictor just lost its integrity. It’s a toughy to be sure! Don’t you think BSA is saying the same thing to them — that unless they recognize an obligation to God, they can’t be the best kind of citizens? Moreover, this same Declaration of Religious Principle is now included on the youth application form which is to be signed by the parents. I think that this is 2 separate issues that commonly are lumped into one very sticky and uncomfortable debate about “Duty to God”. Scouting has realized that without standing firmly on its principles, the line keeps moving. Isn’t BSA saying that an atheist member of one of those organizations cannot grow into the best kind of citizen? Over the years I have met many who also lied. The consequence of this for many is to become critical of that religion, but in some cases, a person may become critical of all religions and, as with the previous explanation, even critical of belief in the existence of gods. Already many have left (our troop lost three adult leaders after the previous membership standards vote – two of those were Eagles). Same for Buddhism and same for Hindus. “The Boy Scouts of America maintains that no member I believe the article supports this journey but what if they were firm in no belief when do we say he is done? And now BSA is trying to walk a tightrope between keeping the support of its largest chartered organizations (the mainstream churches) and remaining relevant to the broader American society. Lots of Eagle candidates are still working out their beliefs. I don’t agree with your statement on I belonging to just a small segment of Baden Powell’s followers. Scouting exists apart from the church for a reason. . The idea there is that allowing avowed homosexual youth to continue in Scouting allows these “confused” boys to associate with worthy men who can help guide the boys onto better paths in life and perhaps awaken to a recognition of their confusion. On the other hand, even if a “nonsectarian” prayer is given, that may still not meet the requirements for a prayer for everyone who is there. I find it interesting that a belief in literally any cockamamie belief is supported, even those the vast majority of us would not accept as having any possibility as being correct or factual, but an absence of belief is so bad that a child could not advance their membership. Holy Heart Attack Batman! Or is there a line drawn? Aside from that, I love this scouting stuff!”? Duty to God is just that, not duty to atheism or duty to agnosticism. You have to answer ‘yes’ to believing in God or they kick you out. Leave the BSA for one of the scouting organizations already in place that do not call for any expression of religious life. Scout Mom You are right on. Series: Commissario Brunetti (19) Members: Reviews: Popularity: Average rating: Mentions: 926: 40: 16,807 (3.59) 43: Under the stifling summer sun, Venice is flooded with tourism. What about the scout who then further militates that those who do are foolish? Hawkwin, I have to reply to myself – your post has no reply button. In the past 50 years, our country has become much more religiously diverse, yet the BSA has not updated the language used to address the religions in our current society. This is not a debate or discussion on our opinions of different belief systems, religions or world view philosophies. I simply believe that when someone has core beliefs that has a foundation of faith things seem to bring the best of conditions to that person. A Question of Belief. So, I find it disheartening to see that the BSA would want to discriminate against me. You raised your children to be atheists. You're not personally being discriminated against, and I don't know why you'd think that. The problem with most of the comments above is that they are based on the view that there is one God, and if a Boy Scout doesn’t believe in that God that something is wrong. Else you’d have to admit you are actually agnostic about everything you believe, because you cannot be 100% sure. Dan, you’ve cut to the chase as usual. I suspect this new controversy will drive more out of BSA. We met in its basement every week. Life is a question and how we live it is our answer. That would be a very humiliating experience. The latter (to God) could be a metaphysical ideal of the infinite towards which enlightened humans strive, which ideal is termed “God” as a shorthand for the longer phrase by which that ideal is described. And since BSA is expressly talking about citizenship, it makes perfect sense to look at how BSA’s views apply to categories of people most identified with citizenship. A religion must charter 25 units in order to have a recognized emblem. If BSA can offer a fully inclusive Exploring program through a subsidiary corporation, why couldn’t it offer a fully-inclusive Scouting program through a subsidiary corporation? Is it okay for them to sing songs and hymns? It is very subjective. There are no comments for this title yet. A Question of Belief: (Brunetti 19) - Ebook written by Donna Leon. Would followers of a polytheistic belief system be inline with a single G-d? The BSA does indeed set it’s rules and it is, in point of fact, a private organization … although the whole “sanctioned by Congress” thing makes this point a bit deleterious, to be sure. It’s as simple as that. Open the pdf below and think of your problems in the light of those questions. For at least a month, pray or meditate reverently each day as taught by your family, and by your church, temple, mosque, synagogue, or religious group. The scout gets to define what God means to him and how he expresses his faith. This viewpoint isn’t terribly different from scouts whose religions worship nature. I would rather see an Eagle Scout who does not believe in God, but has respect for others, than an Eagle Scout who does believe in God, but is completely disrespectful to others. But the pertinent parts may not be online. In Cubbies the boys advance together, it is more of a group journey than a personal one. In the first part of the Scout Oath or Promise the But if you practice what the We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. The rank Eagle Scout means they have advanced based on the rigors of BSA. This requirement of a belief in god is silliness. Their older Scout membership, particularly for boys, plummeted so much as a result of their membership and program changes that at one point, 70% of their membership was under age 11. “A god” uses an indefinite article, and also still implies that there is actually an entity of some sort. But with the overwhelming influence of the LDS (especially in the west), do you ever see this happening? Humanist principles are considerably better written, more morally upstanding, and less subject to interpretation than the 10 commandments. They’re asked to refrain from saying that every religion is wrong. I am intrigued by this dialog. It’s a touchy subject. They will fail and wiser leaders will prevail over the long run.You are right some will stay and some will leave it will depend on the National BSA Leaders to have the resolve to steady the course and not give in to political correctness that has divided this nation and now threatens the BSA. Trenton Spears. He is faithful in his religious duties. Baden-Powell thought of scouting as a means for the world to come together and live in peace. I’d expect more from a Scout. I hope that’s true, Bart, but I have my doubts. People that were born black were segregated. Should we not recharter any Scouts or Scouters if they are known and avowed atheists? You can find the specific information here: http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/programupdates.aspx, The Promise in the 1930s: When they attend services they participate respectfully and show proper respect and behavior. I have put to much time, sweat, money and tears into this organization to have someone question my son’s ever fluid belief system as he slowly matures. Here’s how I see this pan out … Those who think the BSA should remove the universality of Duty to God from the DRP will: The American mainstream was leaving the Boy Scouts of America behind. All I am hearing is political around the wall answers. It’s a course in which I personally walk you through proven exercises to find your truth and begin living it. Not much as long as everyone will still trade in the remaining currency. It is the fundamental factor underlying Scouting and Guiding.”, To further emphasize the importance of faith In American Scouting, early leaders incorporated a 12th point into the Scout Law: “a Scout is reverent.”. But does that mean we would not hope they would come to love Jesus? Then again, you seem to be adept at saying exactly what you want to say regardless of the question being posed. Until then, it was non-political with no in-your-face “You will believe in God” message. I brought it up with a seasoned adult in our Troop who said that should not have a bearing on his BOR. He can both state “I don’t believe in God” and easily meet and exceed the 12th point of the scout law. But I assume you see yourself as a modern,progressive, liberal, crusader for human rights. No specific belief at all – well kid, you don’t have what it takes to be a good boy scout. Cline, Austin. That language was changed in the 1950s, much like our Pledge of Allegiance was changed to include a reference to God. BSA does not state a devotion to a specific religion, so this is very broad, more broad than most people think. I have met a good number of people in my life who profess their belief in Jesus but their actions and deeds through life are not becoming of a good Christian. I have been an advocate myself and I saw no inclination on the part of the BOR to go into what the Scout’s personal faith based beliefs are. I always fulfill this obligation to our local council and receive a free steak dinner celebration at a local ranch and a special shoulder council patch with the Scout law themes. I fight every day for boys in my charge to lead honorable, principle-based lives. WOSM requires that all member organizations adhere to a Duty to God: All members of the Scout Movement are required to adhere to a Scout Promise and Law reflecting, in language appropriate to the culture and civilization of each National Scout Organization, and approved by the World Organization, the principles of Duty to God… I would not hesitate to advance a boy with similar ideals. And even after that another contradictions will be appeared and so on. As Tammy pointed out, “How do you fulfill your Duty to God?” is a much better question. member declares, “On my honor I will do my best to do my duty In 2010, according to numbers that I have seen, the Traditional Scout Count was ~ 2.7MM, and the total youth members was !3.5MM. Hawkwin this is the position of the LDS Church it is the position of many scout leaders I hope it can be something you support. They were rebelling directly against God. In my opinion, we have not delivered the full Scouting program if “duty to God” is first addressed at an Eagle board. This is a 100-year old organization with a clear mission that they feel is intricately tied to religion. It should be easy peasy lemon squeezy for any boy of any faith or religious persuasion to fulfill those requirements. I find your comments very demeaning and divisive. I do advocate that we don’t discriminate against those that do not currently have, or may never develop their own faith. It's not what you have. There are several outdoors group willing to teach similar skills without the ONE requirement of revereance”…. I agree with the bulk of what expressed here, however my thought on what to say instead of duty to God would be duty to your faith. . We fret over this belief in God business. and BSA cannot afford to stick to its guns. The Scout Leader, thru his/her example must live that life they would want the Scout (and his children!) For instance, the faith adventures in the Cub Scout program are clearly designed to be carried out in the family with the assistance of their faith group leaders. List at least two ways you believe you have lived according to your religious beliefs. @Bart wow. Religious tolerance? They are only two answers yes they can no they can’t the BSA must make the call and soon.The problem with the BSA is that they are more concerned with funding and growth than quality more interested in political correctness than traditions and long standing values that the 2013 Boy Scouts finally left. I have no problem with the truth you apparently do or you would not make up insulting untruths. We have seen so much of that over the years. Chip is a volunteer and Silver Buffalo Award recipient. The word itself is of ancient European origin that predates Roman (Christian or Pagan) understanding. I want him to have real reverence, and not because boy scouts tell him, “or else move on.”. Sin has affected every aspect of our being. Here’s what it does mean. . My two grandfathers both lived long lives and were very reverent in their personal lives; and this appeared to give them a certain peace and acceptance late in their lives, in that they were not particularly afraid of dying, because they were secure within. We can all bring to mind many hypocritical Christians/Jews/Muslims/etc. The numbers are even worse in the latest ones that I have seen. This is where good counseling and remembering the Cub Dcout motto “Do Your Best” should be remembered. If a scout spent money on video games, then misses a camping trip well he made a choice, and hopefully learned a lesson about budgeting. Sherman I excepted your challenge will you except mine. Before you rant on about what a horrible person I am for taking this point of view, please Google Christopher Hitchens right now. Msrk, they do not get removed and no call to council is needed, I do ask them to keep an open mind and be willing to talk about it… I don’t know what the call would be about really except to make what should be a small, personal issue into an unnecessarily larger one. See the article in its original context from October 6, 1916, Page 10 Buy Reprints. What do you do, if a boy says he doesn’t believe in God. greedy, pettifogging, knavish; but you shall descend to Scouting happens to be organized on the basis of a belief in God. Whether one is gnostic or agnostic is determined by whether one believes it is every possible to truly know the answer. As I’ve aged and determined, through life experience, what morality means to me, I’ve come to grips with an hypothesis I, and I suspect many earnest and honest Eagle candidates, have postulated. the TOTAL membership of BSA was ~ 4MM in all programs including Learning for Life(3.9MM Traditional) , in 1990. B. © 2021, Boy Scouts of America. The reverent issue for atheists is different. If that is the case, then he should be denied and he may then see that he is not the ultimate power. Sincerely, Trenton Spears. I do not mean by this that we want to divert a boy from the faith of his fathers; far from it. That was my point. Mayan DISASTER. Obviously, this would not fit with the DRP, which I feel is a shame. “Why avoid that? shame on me. Has nothing to do with the majority of citizens of those states wanting to allow gay marriage. if BSA wants to continue to attract kids with its adventure program and great ways of organizing and growing boys, leave it to individuals and families to worry about their religious beliefs. See also: the meaning and origin of 'beyond belief'. Thank you, Tammy, for your encouraging words. B-P once responded to a question about the importance of faith (religion) in Scouting by saying: “Where does religion come in? The fact that they support of sexually inactive homosexual or any other sexual activity in its youth in the Church bears well of their commitment to the principle’s of Scouting. This discussion started on October 3. This frees you to do a value assessment and determine who is flawed: you or those who hold up the standard. The Gospel (the Dharma the Tanahk the Quran the Great Mystery….) Sad. That is a position I do not and would not support. My older brother chose to lie to his Eagle BOR, feeling justified in this because he felt the question itself was illegitimate. Most of what goes on in the universe cannot be controlled by humans, therefore we obviously aren’t all that high up on the cosmic totem pole so to speak. Reverence is not solely about believing in God, it’s about showing respect a great respect, high regard and a dutiful seriousness towards something or someone (not solely about believing in a deity). And now look at what you’re all debating. That was an issue that BSA didn’t have to touch. At this age our youth IS too young to truly make this decision about their religion. Can You Take the Chance? I am an Eagle scout and earned just about every other award in boy scouts and cub scouts from the Arrow of Light to many Eagle Palms to the Mile Swim and many leadership positions. He said you “help Scouts and their families come to realize that a belief in God is integral to Scouting and is a key element in character building.”, So by doing this, we do not promote them. Please make sure to choose a rating. i would not want my scoutmaster or cubmaster having any role in that if i were a youth. q, Given your description of Scouting as a religious-based organization, and given its separation from the Purpose for the organization set forth in the Congressional Charter, wouldn’t it be more honorable and forthright to relinquish said Charter rather than perpetuate the bygone myth that the Charter currently represents? Earlier this month a British teenager was convicted for lying about a gang rape. It’s clear that some take issue with this 100 year old concept. Include his parents in the conversation and do not violate their beliefs or sensibilities. Beyond the clauses in the scout oath and law, very little of my scouting experience had any religious component to it. Scouting was a breakthrough as a non-formal education system , a MOVEMENT, and it must continue to be like that in the 21st century or else there is no meaning to exist. If someone else isn’t, well, pushing someone’s nose into a a “mess” they made is generally a way to get them to dislike you, rather than a way to get them to dislike making the mess in the first place. One should never deny a boy such an opportunity. We make choices and live with the results. Why can BSA not understand that pushing the concept of a monotheistic “God” to which you have duty is sectarian? 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